Dear readers I usualy dont like to resort to personal insults but this Shoghig charachter has left me no choice. As you know because of her treacherous remarks on our blog I had to go into offensive in order to make sure that people know that constant Armenia and Armenian bashing for NO REASON BY ARMENIANS will not be tolarated. Here is her page and her last post regarding our conflict.
http://armenianaffairs.blogsome.com/2006/04/24/40/
Read it and read the posts before it here and on her page and you be the judge. Here is my response to her last post on
April 25, 2006 @ 10:39 pm
Please respond to the post dont be shy, I want to see how other people think.
In my life I saw many types of people. That includes Armenians of all types and political backgrounds. But you, Shoghig, you belong to a very special, very unique, and THANK GOD very small group of diasporans that hate Armenia with passion. You are telling me to get of my high horse? I am not even on one, but you surely are. Please do not use words like “WE” and “OUR” when you talk about the Diaspora. Haters like you do not represent the will of the overwhelming number of the PROUD diaspora Armenians. How do I know that? Simple I lived with them in Armenia and I live with them here.
First things first; stop flip flopping. Decide what you want from your life. One day you want the help to Armenia to be stopped, the other day you want respect, then you say that you hate Armenia, but later say that you dont really hate it and you dont hate hayastantzis. WELL YOU HAVE TO SHOW RESPECT TO GET RESPECT, when you approach people with a mindset that you are better then them and that you are different then them don’t expect much respect. Stop the bullshit about how people looked down on your Western Armenian dialect, Armenians in Armenia are used to hearing that for many years now and no self-respecting Armenian will give a damn which Armenian you are using. Maybe you have some kind of paranoia, thinking that people around you hate you, see a doctor. You have absolutely nothing to say, no excuses, no reason for your hate of Armenia, so you just come up with this crap.
Let me tell you that you are bringing up an issue that has been long dead and buried; the issue of “aghpars” vs. locals. It was buried because locals emigrated and kind of became “aghpars” themselves. Now its more of the opposite, it’s some of the first and second generation Armenians who by their thinking belong to your class, that go around talking how they don’t like the newcomers because the newcomers achieve all what they, the first and second generation Armenians, could not achieve in so many years. But again thank God that these type of diaspora “Armenians” don’t show their ugly heads around too much.
Want to know the story of why the whole “aghpars” vs. locals verbal beef started? I can tell you because unlike your family, which for some weird reason did not want to talk about this, my “aghpar” and local family told me about it. You see when Armenians started to return to THEIR homeland near the end of WW2, Soviet Armenia, they usually came from places where people lived relatively better than Armenians in Armenia. That was obvious because Soviet Armenia was in war and no other Allied country suffered as much as USSR did, so the goods and a good education were scarce. Some of the newcomers (norekogh) started to act in a same way that you and some other diaspora Armenians act today, they started to look down upon the locals, calling them uneducated, unmannered, and all kinds of other stupid stuff like “giughatsi hayastantsi” (hey just like now days). It is true that lots of Armenians in Armenia were uneducated, poor, and sometimes even lacked manners, but hey these guys just barely came out of a horrible war plus Stalin’s repressions were still hanging over their heads. So the locals started to fight back, mainly making fun of the newcomers’ dialect, where the new comers could not use the word AGHPER (brother) correctly and instead called each other AGHPAR, hence newcomer and aghpar became synonyms, although people knew that calling newcomers aghpar was derogatory. This social feud started to calm down year by year as newcomers and locals intermarried and finally it disappeared in the 90’s as people started to emigrate and ex locals now became “aghpars” themselves. These type of social feuds happen all the time everywhere, just ask what a Northern Italian thinks about the Southern Italian, or East German about a West German or vice versa. That of course does not make it correct but it is part of human nature and there is nothing that you, with your inadequate brain, can do about it.
STOP TALKING IN THE NAME OF THE DIASPORA. I and Levon (a typical non Dashnak diasporan) can’t agree on a lot of things, but Levon and the overwhelming majority of diaspora Armenians know one thing, they have a homeland, and they are proud of it. True that the homeland is ruled by toilet wipes but at least we have a homeland, that is what makes a diaspora a Diaspora. Otherwise we would have been like the Assyrians, Gypsies, or like the Kurds; just groups of people spread around the world with nothing binding. You want to talk and write in your own dialect while in Armenia and you accuse Armenia of “killing” Western Armenian, go ahead nobody is holding you back, just use Eastern Armenian in your official communications. Well missy I studied BRITISH English in Armenia but here in US I had to adopt and learn US English. I think British English sounds better and US English is easier and sometimes it butchers words for sake of easiness, but hey I accepted it and moved on. You and your kind, who are a minority, want to tell the majority what language to speak. Eastern Armenian (which is used for 120+ years IN THE EASTERN ARMENIAN TERRITORY, that’s what I meant you mongrel I know the history of “my” Armenia) became mainstream thanks to writers like Khatchatour Abovian who in the 1800’s was the first Armenian writer to use it, yes way before Armenia became communist. Besides with whatever evil they did, Communists did a lot of good too and the modernization of Eastern Armenian in my and the opinions of many millions was one of those good things (since it was not forceful but scientific). My “aghpar” grand parents still use Western Armenian and my grandfather still uses it to write letters, its just he was not lazy and he learned both and never bitched about it. Whenever he wrote a letter to his sister in France he used the Western Armenian, whenever he had to communicate within Armenia he used Eastern Armenian, easy as that. Languages are made NATIONAL so people in that particular country know which language to use in official correspondence. Armenia chose Eastern Armenian, because JUST INTERNALY we have more dialects than we have hair on our heads. If each dialect started writing in their own way YOU would never understand what the other Armenian wants from you. Ever hear Karabakh street talk? Good luck understanding that if you are a diaspora Armenian. Hence we have a unified language so we can communicate easily and be united by that common language. Armenians need as much unity as they can get.
You talk about getting the Western Armenian lands as if I have something against gaining OUR (yes not yours, because you Shoghig are a nothing) lands back. Hey the more the merrier plus WE get access to sea. Remember it was you who insulted Armenian national pride in your first post on our blog not I. Gaining land back is a pretty nationalistic rhetoric Shoghig. It’s just funny when you say that “you” will see “yourself” in Western Armenia tomorrow. If that ever happens, do you think it’s going to be your useless ass and the useless asses of your kind sitting at the negotiation table or it is going to be the diplomats from Republic of Armenia, the entity that the world recognizes as the sole homeland and representative of Armenians on this planet? Are you and the oh so small group of mongrel idiots going to march into Western Armenia and build the infrastructure which the region lacks? NO YOU ARE NOT! It is going to be done under the patronage of Republic of Armenia ( since only a government has the resources and the manpower to annex or get back a territory) with the help from the diaspora, that’s how things are done and always should be done. Judging from your poison talk you are probably also happy that our church is divided in to two parts, in your eyes the job is half way done.
I cant believe that I wasted so many man hours and nerves on a SEPARATIST, SELF HATING, WORM like you. You will never understand what being proud of what and who you are is. It is just very sad that you are going to inject your poison inside the pure minds of those kids that you teach. Thus making your personal hate problem that has no base and no merit their problem. SELFISH and DISGUSTING.
P.S.
Listen I can tell you a way that some say can guarantee you life in Western Armenia in the very near future. How about you convert to Hinduism, because they believe in reincarnation, then go and get killed for some good cause, then get reincarnated as a GOAT or a SHEEP in the Western Armenia. Since that is what the local Yezdis keep in the current Western Armenian territory goats, sheeps, and cows, oh maybe you should turn into a cow, that will work too.
